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Performance Retrospective: Discerning The Fastest AGP Card


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The question was asked: Which is faster, the Radeon HD 4670 AGP or the Radeon HD 3850 AGP? They have very comparable specs on paper, but the 4670 was introduced as a replacement of sorts for the 3850. So, I decided to test it real quick.

What we know:
The Radeon HD 3850 is based on RV670, a design that was built up from R600 for the new 55nm process that was getting ready for full deployment in 2007. The structure of RV670 is still effectively just R600, but shrunk down significantly into a much more appropriate package. It solves the problem of thermal output and power hogging, but because it’s the same design it carries with it the same drawbacks, namely; MSAA performance. R600 and RV670 are TERRIBLE at MSAA. Plainly put, the GPU has no hardware resolve for handling multi-sample data on the fly, so in order to apply MSAA to a frame it has to spit the image out of the backend and straight up to the top of the pipeline to be processed through the shaders all over again. This means multiple cycles wasted on a single frame before it can be sent to display. This doesn’t affect FXAA nearly as badly, but it still has a harsher impact on performance than later designs such as…

RV730, the core inside the Radeon HD 4670. This is cut down from the extremely powerful (for the price) RV770, a nearly full redesign of TeraScale, with stronger ROPs and significantly better MSAA resolve hardware. The active shader count is comparable to RV670, but some things have been changed around as can be seen below in the specifications chart. A slimmer backend and memory interface choke a lot of potential out of this chip, but for a reason. If it had been much better it would have dethroned the much more expensive Radeon HD 3870, which AMD clearly did not intend to do.

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Test Bed

AMD FX-8350
MSI 890FXA-GD70
8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1600
Seagate 500GB SSHD
ATi Radeon HD 3850 512MB (668/828 Stock Clock, 780/885 Overclocked)
ATi Radeon HD 4670 512MB (750/800 Stock Clock, 780/885 Overclocked)

Software

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit
Catalyst 13.9 Legacy
3DMark06
3DMark Vantage
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Metro 2033
Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim


A quick note on clocks, I tested both stock and “overclocked” results. The overclock is the nearest matching clockrates that both cards were stable at. It’s possible that either card could have been tweaked further, but for the sake of leveling the playing field I chose to keep things “clock-for-clock” as it were.


To start I ran 3DMark06 and 3DMark Vantage. This went about how I expected.

3DMark06%20Results

3DMark%20Vantage%20Results

The Radeon HD 3850 takes the day. I already knew these results would turn out this way from previous testing, however the question wasn’t how the cards performed in canned benchmarks. The question posed was, "Which is the fastest for gaming?"


Starting with Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Settings: FXAA Medium, 4X AF, Shadows: On, SSAO: Normal, DOF: Normal, Post Processing: On

This game is great both for playing and for testing obsolete graphics cards that nobody sane cares about. It offers plenty of punishment for older hardware and doesn’t have an FPS cap to blockade performance testing on newer cards. We’re running at 720p with the settings above in sets of three. Three runs with AA, three runs without AA, and averaging our results for each. Minimum FPS is read off the actual minimums reported by Fraps.

Deus%20Ex%20Stock%20Results

Deus%20Ex%20Overclocked%20Results


Next up, Metro 2033.

Settings: DX10, Medium Preset, AAA / 4X MSAA 4X AF, PhysX Enabled (CPU)

Another great test for older hardware, and one of the first DX11 games on the market with a built in benchmark. It is suitably punishing for our hardware, especially the Radeon HD 3850 because it has no option to disable anti-aliasing. I’m running the Frontline benchmark, results are again averages of 3 runs for each AA setting. This time maximum FPS is in place of minimum due to the benchmark always reporting exactly 4.19FPS at Frame 7 of the test regardless of hardware configuration or settings. The charts are sorted by average FPS still.

Metro%202033%20Stock%20Results

Metro%202033%20Overclocked%20Results


Finally, Skyrim.

Settings: 4xAA, 8xAF, High Preset

I don’t need to explain why I ran Skyrim. Results are averages of 3 runs. Testing was done in the wooded outdoor area of Fort Greenwall running a predefined path from the town, around the fort and back into town to the fire pit. Again, averages are from 3 runs each, minimums are the actual minimums reported by Fraps.

The Radeon HD 3850 was destroyed by this game, and not in the way you’d think. The lighting was constantly bugged out, frame drops were frequent and random skips, hops, and screen tears were prevalent. Most issues were solved by removing AA, but the lighting glitch remained through every test. The Radeon HD 4670 had no such problems.

Skyrim%20Stock%20Results

Skyrim%20Overclocked%20Results


Conclusion, kinda…

Obviously that’s not much testing, but I really didn’t want to go all out on this. It was mostly out of curiosity, and to get a general idea of performance between the two. And to that end I would say that if somebody were dead set on getting the best GPU they possible could for a system constrained to AGP 8X, that the Radeon HD 3850 would be the better option overall.