Just a few quotes from Eric S. Raymond

[anon1161053]

Apparently ESR is getting more popular in this parts of the interwebs again but nobody seems to read his blog or anything he said over the last 15 years or so.

So, let's have some fun!

http://www.catb.org/~esr/aim/

Why We Fight — An Anti-Idiotarian Manifesto (2.0)

WHEREAS, the period since the terrible events of 9/11 has exposed
the vacuity and moral confusion of all too many of the thinkers,
politicians, and activists operating within conventional political
categories;

WHEREAS, the Left has failed us by succumbing to reflexive
anti-Americanism; by apologizing for terrorist acts; by propounding
squalid theories of moral equivalence; and by blaming the victims of
evil for the act of evil;

[...]

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=906

the British did a pretty good job of civilizing India and we did a
spectacularly effective one on Japan. And the U.S. would be well
equipped to do it again; our economy is now so large that we could run a
globe-spanning empire from the petty-cash drawer.

Someone corrects Dennis Ritchie, ESR "answered", Richie acknowledges his mistake http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2011/10/14/dennis-ritchie-has-died/

I’ve seen bonehead idiocy on the net before, but this tops it all — this takes

the cut-glass flyswatter. Mr. Firth, do you read what you’re replying to

before you pontificate? Didn’t the name ‘Dennis Ritchie’ register in whatever

soggy lump of excrement you’re using as a central nervous system? Do you

realize that the person you just incorrectly ‘corrected’ on a point of C’s

intellectual antecedents is the inventor of C himself!?!
Sheesh. No wonder Dennis doesn’t post more often.
Next time dmr posts something, I suggest you shut up and listen. Respectfully.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=129

In the U.S., blacks are 12% of the population but commit 50% of violent crimes; can anyone honestly think this is unconnected to the fact that they average 15 points of IQ lower than the general population?

The whole thing is quote-worthy. http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=26

But more than that; the truth the dominant media culture really doesn’t want to go near is that pederasty has never been a marked or unusual behavior among homosexuals, and even advocates of outright pedophilia are not shunned in the homosexual-activist community.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=184

I believe, but cannot prove, that global “AIDS” is a whole cluster of unrelated diseases all of which have been swept under a single rug for essentially political reasons, and that the identification of HIV as the sole pathogen is likely to go down as one of the most colossal blunders in the history of medicine.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=586

The crackup I thought I was seeing in the Obama campaign didn’t happen. I underestimated the ability of the mainstream media to cover for Obama’s weaknesses. We may all have underestimated the effectiveness of ACORN’s vote-fraud machine.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1029

if civilian firearms had not been culturally and politically decisive in hundreds of struggles for freedom, from the American Revolution clear down to short-stopping Communist counter-coups in Russia and the Baltic States as recently as the 1990s.
[...]
Ignoramus typed another sentence of historical ignorance. My reply was “Baa! Baa! Baaaaa!”
[...]
I think, now, that gun owners need to be replying more often to hoplophobes
simply by echoing their “Baaa! Baaa! Baaaa!” back at them. Because
only that reaches the actual fundamentals of the thinly-rationalized
anti-firearms prejudice we so often encounter.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1146#comment-238368

Okay… so if it’s not done by providing preventative care, how do
countries with socialized medicine manage to provide healthcare to more
people, with better outcomes, for a smaller per capita cost?

Probably they don’t and the numbers are being massively cooked. No, I’m not kidding; socialist systems are notorious for this sort of
flim-flam.

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On this forum there are threads about helping poor, poor ESR! This guy had $36m. He's currently employed full time. He asks for money via patreon.

And another thread about a "Plot to frame Open Source Leaders for Sexual Assault". A controversy lead by a climate change denying, racist, white-, US- supremacist, homophobic nutjob by quoting from an anonymous source on IRC.

This guy has not been relevant for 10 years now. Let's keep it this way.

PS: Fuck this guy for coining the word Open Source. It's free software, and always will be.

[ProSonicLive]

Whatever I think of ESR, which is not much, Your credibility died with this sentence.

A controversy lead by a climate change denying, racist, white-, US- supremacist, homophobic nutjob by quoting from an anonymous source on IRC.

[anon1161053]

I'm pretty sure you didn't read the blog posts I linked because you need more than 7 minutes to read all of that, which means you just dismissed my opinion without even trying to understand the rationale.

[greenwithao]

So freedom of speech exists. And some of those quotes are right on the money. Only one i had a problem with was the race one. Otherwise a solid guy that supports the community.

[anon1161053]

Your credibility died with this sentence.

By the way, I don't even need credibility because everything was written by Eric S. Raymond on his personal blog. You don't have to trust me. It's on his fucking blog.

So freedom of speech exists

Did I say anywhere that he should not be allowed to say any of the things he said? Why do you even bring this up?

And some of those quotes are right on the money

Which one exactly?
The one in which he says that black people have a lower IQ?
The one in which he says that AIDS doesn't exist?
The one in which he says that socialist systems are always lying?
The one in which he says that if you're for gun control you're too stupid to understand arguments and therefor have to be trolled?
The one in which he says that Obama only won the election because he manipulated to votes?
The one in which he says that homosexuals advocate pedophilia?
The one in which he says that the US did a good job civilizing India and Japan?
The one in which he says that it's the duty of all good Americans to support George W. Bush to destroy Islamofascism?
The one in which he personally attacks someone on a mailing list who turns out to be completely right?

[ProSonicLive]

Credibility died with that sentence, Now you are beating a dead horse.

[anon1161053]

Okay. Now that you made that clear you can stop responding to someone who beats a dead horse.

[anon54242466]

Oh god someone disagrees with you, quick lets try to silence them. I love how you equate gun rights to racism btw.

[anon1161053]

I don't try to silence anyone, he repeated the exact same thing twice, which is worthless.

Then I don't equate gun rights to racism. Why do you even think so? I quoted him being racist and I quoted him being a troll against gun control.

Are you all incapable of reading?

Why the fuck is this even about anything I do or say? Just read what ESR says, give your opinion about that stuff.

[anon54242466]

You cherry picked many quotes from over a long period to discredit him. And I assume you choose the one for gun rights because you felt it was just as bad.

The stuff about social healthcare wasn't far off. The ACORN scandal did happen along with many others with Obama. The way we have delt with radical Islam has been completely borked, commit completely to war or don't do it at all.

Saying "fuck this guy" shows where you want this thread to go. Nothing constructive will come from this.

[Big_Al_Tech]

You've joined 2 days ago, with a rather interesting name. And majority of your posts have been pretty hostile. So, either change the attitude you are putting out, or don't post. No need to start flame wars.

[greenwithao]

Yes socialist systems are lying. Petty much hits the nail on the head.

Okay… so if it’s not done by providing preventative care, how do
countries with socialized medicine manage to provide healthcare to more
people, with better outcomes, for a smaller per capita cost?

Gun control is just knee jerk emotional reactions that will not solve anything.

Democrats did commit voter fraud with acorn

Did you see what the sjw's have been pushing. http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/

[anon1161053]

And majority of your posts have been pretty hostile. So, either change the attitude you are putting out, or don't post. No need to start flame wars.

Riiight.

Besides this thread I posted in a thread about Tor, explaining how Tor works. That's hostile?

In this thread I was only hostile towards ESR (because people want to give him money and take things he say serious, which they should not).

Instead of being reasonable about this thread, the first comment completely dismisses my opinion without even reading anything of which I quoted and attacking me personally.

This guy repeats the exact same comment later, clearly wanting me to stop posting.

Then someone chimes in, accuses me of silencing people and of equating guns rights to racism.

I'm very reasonable with people who actually try to have a discussion like @greenwithao, but he's the only one in this thread who didn't attack me personally or is trying to flame me.

And now you tell me I'm hostile? What a fucking joke.

[Big_Al_Tech]

No it was reasonable, becuase this is essentially a shitpost on ESR. You can point out things he's said, you can critisize, but just blatant hatred for the guy isn't going to be a good conversational piece.

Saying "fuck this guy" shows were you want this thread to go. Nothing constructive will come from this.

@Quixotic_Autocrat is correct. You pretty much made this into a one sided thread.

[BGL]

You start with;

So, let's have some fun!

and end with;

PS: Fuck this guy for coining the word Open Source. It's free software, and always will be.

What happened in between? You seem very angry at ESR, is it because of his political views (which are broadly on the libertarian right) or because he was one of the founders of the Open Source movement which business embraced over the Free Software movement (which rightly or wrongly gets seen as a hippy fad by some).

[anon1161053]

You cherry picked many quotes from over a long period to discredit him

First off, I only quoted his personal blog, so he's clearly discrediting himself. Also, there are no follow-ups which would indicate that he has changed his opinion on any of the topics. Another point is that the quotes are representative of the whole blog posts. You should read the whole posts to get a complete picture.

And I assume you choose the one for gun rights because you felt it was just as bad.

Ignoring the opinion on gun control, he argues that the other side is incapable of understanding the arguments for gun control, and this trolling them is a legitimate tactic. He literally advocates not discussing gun control because the other side is too stupid. This a completely foolish and retarded way of stopping any discussion.

The stuff about social healthcare wasn't far off.

I'd disagree on that. Actually pretty much anyone in academia disagrees with that. You can essentially pick any paper on the subject and find out that ESR is wrong here.

The ACORN scandal did happen along with many others with Obama

As true as this might be, the other side is caught manipulating elections much more often, yet ESR blames the winning on rigged elections.

Saying "fuck this guy" shows where you want this thread to go. Nothing constructive will come from this.

So I'm only allowed to post opinions which are moderate, or which are not too far from this forums opinion? Why am I not allowed to say "Fuck this guy!" when I feel like I have a good point for doing so?

Gun control is just knee jerk emotional reactions that will not solve anything.

Like I said above, this is not about gun control, it's about how ESR handles different opinions and shutting down any discussion.

Did you see what the sjw's have been pushing.

Actually, yes. This is completely unrelated. ESR specifically talks about homosexuals and their connection to pedophiles in this blog post.

No it was reasonable, becuase this is essentially a shitpost on ESR

I didn't say anything wrong here, I only quoted him. How can that be shitposting?

You can point out things he's said, you can critisize, but just blatant hatred for the guy isn't going to be a good conversational piece.

I feel like this is exactly what I'm doing here: criticizing ESR. If you feel like I'm in "blatant hatred" you're mistaken.

This obviously can be a good conversation but you guys have to stop saying that it can't and start discussing the topic.

You pretty much made this into a one sided thread.

Well, yeah, I'm obviously on the side "Fuck ESR". That's how discussions work, you can now star to argue that he is in fact a really nice guy.

You seem very angry at ESR, is it because of his political views (which are broadly on the libertarian right) or because he was one of the founders of the Open Source movement which business embraced over the Free Software movement (which rightly or wrongly gets seen as a hippy fad by some).

Again, I'm not angry at him. I think he's a gun-wielding, rude, racist, homophobic nutjob. I'm glad he's not relevant anymore so I really don't have a reason to be angry at him. (Okay, I'm still a bit angry at ESR for coining the word Open Source which we're stuck with now, but that's something else entirely).

[ProSonicLive]

You, accuse ESR of being racist, yet add the fact that ESR is white in the middle of a string of what you perceive as insults; pot, meet kettle.

A controversy lead by a climate change denying, racist, white-, US- supremacist, homophobic nutjob by quoting from an anonymous source on IRC.

You are directing the reader to side with you rather than asking opinions on the subject by making these accusations from cherry picked statements, effectively polarizing ESR rather than admitting there may be shades of grey in his (full) arguments. Post was written in an combative tone from the start.

[anon54242466]

Never said you have to like the guy there are other ways to get your point across with resorting to "fuck that guy."

So what is your agenda?

[anon1161053]

You, accuse ESR of being racist, yet add the fact that ESR is white in the middle of a string of what you perceive as insults

"white-, US- supremacist" is expanded to "white-supremacist, US-supremacist", the first one being a form of racism (look, there is a wiki article for it!), the second being the believe that the US is superior to every other country and should thus take control of the whole earth.

Maybe that clears up some of your confusion.

You are directing the reader to side with you rather than asking opinions on the subject by making these accusations from cherry picked statements, effectively polarizing ESR rather than admitting there may be shades of grey in his (full) arguments. Post was written in an combative tone from the start.

I stated my opinion. I don't have to write "In my opinion, …", that's implied here, it's normal.

The accusation of cherry picking was addressed above.

This is only a "combative tone" if you think that ESR is a rational, nice guy. And if you think he's a rational, nice guy I want you to notice that my opinion is completely different, that there are arguments for seeing him as a racist nutjob, and I want you to try to understand that rationale.

This is called "having an argument".

Never said you have to like the guy there are other ways to get your point across with resorting to "fuck that guy."

Yes, like quoting what he says on his personal blog.

So what is your agenda?

Convincing people that he's racist, homophobic, a notjob and generally a bad guy which nobody should be listened to, or taken serious.

[anon54242466]

ESR just sounds like your garden variety Conservative Libertarian. Not sure why you find it all that shocking.

Get out and talk to people you will be amazed to find out different people have different opinions.

His views are far right but yours are just as far left. Live and let live.